Sebastian Gorka is no ordinary mouthpiece. He’s a brilliant thinker who now has the opportunity to advise and explain the processes currently ongoing in the Trump administration. He’s also not afraid of confrontation, which he proved yet again when he went toe-to-toe with CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Monday.
Cuomo continued the common theme from CNN, which is to attack the President and his travel ban as racist. However, Gorka wasn’t having it. Gorka attempted to tutor Cuomo on the facts, explaining that the Trump administration simply used analysis provided by the Obama administration when deciding which nations immigrants should be forced under more scrutiny. He then explained that the analysis showed that the 7 nations in the travel ban were proven to be the most dangerous for American interests, and that the ban had nothing to do with “race” or even with Islam. Gorka then proved it had nothing to do with those things when he explained to Cuomo that the world’s most populous Muslim nation, Malaysia, was not included in the travel ban and that the world’s most populous Arab nation, Egypt, was also not included in the travel ban. Cuomo couldn’t respond to the facts, so he continued to talk about what he thought the President was actually doing…
It really is a sad exercise and proof-positive that CNN doesn’t care about facts, they only care about slandering President Trump.
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GORKA: I’m not going to fall into the trap of us being the spin- meisters when CNN is one of the greatest purveyors of fake news. The fact is it’s been the same since the beginning, from the first E.O. to the second E.O., it’s one thing, Chris. It’s about protecting Americans. And if anybody out there has a problem with us trying to keep Americans safe, then they need to look in the mirror and they need to ask themselves whether they are the purveyors of fake news.
CUOMO: Sebastian, it has always been about who it targets, how it targets them, and whether or not that is what will keep us safe, and you guys played games about it and said it’s not a ban. I could play you Sean Spicer right now, but you know it’s true. And then the president decides to be honest about it this morning. That is spin. You are the purveyor of spin because that was your message, that it wasn’t a ban, and it was untrue. That’s why I’m asking you.
GORKA: So I guess President Obama was also a purveyor of spin with that calculation, because the executive order is based upon the Obama White House analysis of the seven nations of greatest concern for immigration to America. Is he a purveyor of spin, Chris?
CUOMO: Well that’s an interesting question, and while I —
GORKA: It is, isn’t it?
CUOMO: And while I like that you must get away from President Trump and policy as quickly as possible.
GORKA: Not at all.
CUOMO: And blame Obama for everything.
GORKA: I’ll talk about it for the next hour.
CUOMO: I’m sure you would, and eloquently so. However, the facts are not your friend here because that move with executive order from the Obama administration was about travel to those countries. It was about who’s coming in and out and why. Your order is about Muslims, about targeting Muslims and keeping them out.
GORKA: Chris, let’s stop that.
CUOMO: And allowing those who are not Muslim a carve-out to come in. Very different.
GORKA: Let’s do a little 101, a little trivial pursuit. What is the most populous Muslim nation in the world, Chris?
CUOMO: You tell me. These are your answers.
GORKA: No, you tell me the biggest Muslim nation in the world. Massive population.
CUOMO: I want to give you the opportunity.
GORKA: You don’t know.
CUOMO: Assume I know nothing. Go ahead.
GORKA: It’s Indonesia. I will assume you know nothing. What is the largest Arab nation in the world?
CUOMO: You tell me.
GORKA: Egypt. So if this had anything, and I mean anything, to do with race or religion, why would those two nations, the most populous Muslim nations, and the most populous Arab nation, not be included on the executive order? Explain that logic to me, because this is where your spin fails. This is where the fake news propaganda collapses, because if we had some dark, dread ulterior motive, then those are the first two nations you would put on the list, not the seven nations that the Obama White House identified as greatest concern. So please answer that question.
CUOMO: I will, I will. First, what the Obama administration did was target travel from places that were known as hubs for terror, and that’s different than what you’re doing because you’re targeting nationality. You could add Saudi Arabia. Fifteen of the hijackers came from there. They’re not on your list. There’s speculation as to why.
But instead of looking who you didn’t involve, you must look for legal and policy purposes in who you did involve. And those countries are all Muslim majority. You did a carve-out for non-Muslims. And that’s why it got struck down originally, allegedly recognized as being overreaching by people like you, which is why you drafted a second one, which the president said he authorized and approved of and is now before the courts for scrutiny. So the intention is clear that you wanted to target Muslims from those places. I see that you’re a little slow to want to own that.
GORKA: No, I’m still waiting for you to answer why would you not include Indonesia and Egypt. You still haven’t answered the question. If it was about what you said it was about, then those would be the logical nations to include, but we didn’t. So how do you explain that, Chris?
CUOMO: I explain it by you going with the original model to make it easier to pass because you were mimicking what Obama did and therefore masking your true intention was to not make it about travel, make it about Muslims. And as you well know not just in your own rhetoric but the president, he has said time and again that he thinks there’s a problem with Islam, and that he thinks that the Muslims may have a problem with us. And as you know, with what we’re seeing in the U.K. right now, attachment to the community of Muslims is so important, and the concern is that a move like this, trumpeted by the president in the midst of crisis in the U.K. sends an ugly message to our Muslim community here in the United States.
GORKA: Well, unfortunately, what you’ve just spun is classic fake news.
CUOMO: What is fake about what I said? What is factually inaccurate?
GORKA: There are no facts there. You are saying we used an Obama era analysis to quote —
CUOMO: You used his executive order.
GORKA: — to cloak our intention. Can you give me one piece of evidence for that?
CUOMO: Yes, the language. You picked the same countries, was that a coincidence? No.
GORKA: No, because that’s what government does. Government looks at analysis.
CUOMO: You picked the same countries. That’s a fact.
GORKA: What is your proof we had another intent? Give me a piece of proof.
CUOMO: The language from the president.
GORKA: That’s not proof.
CUOMO: The same thing district courts seized upon was that he clearly wants to keep Muslims out of the country, right or wrong. The people voted for Donald Trump in part on that issue, but his intention is clear.
GORKA: So that must be the intention of the Obama order as well, to keep Muslims out of the nation.
CUOMO: Again, the language is different which is why it wasn’t challenged in the courts the same way. It was about who is traveling in and out of there and the potential for those governments to let or even harbor bad guys.
GORKA: Your selective choice of fact is really quite telling, because you do know that we did this with Iraq under the Obama administration and the administration didn’t even tell anybody. Why is that?
The next day Gorka appeared on Newsmax TV with Steve Malzberg and explained just how frustrating it is to talk about Trump’s tweets after Muslim terrorists have just murdered 7 people and injured dozens more.
I mean, I went on CNN yesterday (for my sins) for 16 minutes. 16 minutes. For 16 minutes, the host wanted to talk about the president’s tweets.
There are 7 people dead in the UK — our close allies — 48 in the hospital, half in intensive care, and the media wants to talk about a tweet?
It is just an ‘Alice in Wonderland’ reality