I believe they’re lying through their teeth.
— CongressmanDarrell Issa (E-CA)
Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) is preparing to retire from Congress, and I wonder if the disgusting mess in our intelligence community has anything to do with his decision to leave public life?
Issa recently appeared on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo to discuss the moral collapse at the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Darrell Issa: I’ve been in their shoes of having to sit at the table in meetings with Justice [Department officials], and then having to turn that “good conversation” into actual production of documents…
I once sat in the capitol with Eric Holder as he told me there were only 200 documents, and he would give us those documents in an unprecedented way if we put an end to the investigation of Fast & Furious. Tens of thousands of additional documents, some of them showing his actual interference with the discovery process, and we’re still not done with it.
It is very, very much a tradition at the Department of Justice to come in an tell Congress what they want to hear, lie to them if necessary, hope they don’t get caught on their watch.
Maria Bartiromo: Well, maybe… Do you believe you are getting honest answers from the FBI and DOJ?
Darrell Issa: No, I don’t. I believe they’re lying through their teeth.
If you want to tell the truth, do the same thing you do in front of a federal judge…
Allow a full in camera review. I’m not there at the negotiating table, this is now Trey Gowdy’s watch, but when I was there we would most often say, ‘If you say it is too voluminous and it will take too long, great, we’ll sit by your side and search and look and narrow down things we don’t need.’ But to do that, we need to see everything unredacted… Give our investigators, who have clearances, the opportunity to sift through. This is exactly what they didn’t do in Fast & Furious or Benghazi, or the IRs. And it took IGs, subpoenas, FOIA, and judges. And we still don’t have the whole truth in each of those cases, particularly, Benghazi and Fast & Furious.
If you can’t tell, Issa is not pleased with how the Justice Department has been treating Congress’ attempt to get to the bottom of what has been happening since the 2016 election.
What makes the entire matter worse is that Issa says the entire investigation will just disappear if the GOP loses the midterm elections, so the Department of Justice is just trying to obfuscate until November in the hopes that the Democrats will win and shut down any further investigation.
Maria Bartiromo: And now with the investigation around the FBI’s handling of the 2016 election, we’re circling around this so-called “FBI Source” Kim Strassel at the Wall Street Journal wrote about this last week, and she asks, “Did the Bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?” in her op-ed.
You look at the Washington Post, and they know all sorts of things about this “FBI Source,” that the FBI says they can’t reveal, so how come the Washington Post knows all the details?
Darrell Issa: This is very common in Washington. Each side has a tendency to not hold material the way the should when they need material to prove their point. and the administration, particularly under President Obama did that regularly. They gave half stories, sometimes even giving it to Elijah Cummings and the Democrats before we even saw it on our subpoena.
The important thing is: It is very clear that we are being asked to trust the Department of Justice who we know did, in fact, use a law that allows them to spy but lied to get the warrants, lied to a federal judge under the FISA act. So this is one of the challenges. Make no bones about it. A FISA warrant is, in fact, a license to spy. Now the question is did you lie, cheat or steal in order to do that?
And very clearly with the information presented behind closed doors to the federal judge, the fact is they did mislead the judge to get a warrant multiple abilities to spy, and now we’re asked to believe that you can trust the very people, not the management for a moment, but the very people who know this and are covering it up.
Most of those people haven’t retired. Some of them knew about it when they broke the law or misled a federal judge, and they don’t want us to know it, and it is not about Republican/Democrat. it is about the fact that we have another election coming up. Why in the world would we think it is not happening again?
Maria Bartiromo: Not only that, but we also know they redid that FISA warrant three additional times. So four times, they got the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign, and they used it, and they got the FISA warrant by this dossier, by saying that this dossier was actually some kind of important piece of work, and it was all unverified. Rod Rosenstein signed off on the fourth time when they wanted that next FISA warrant. And now Devin Nunes is saying [Rosenstein] is conflicted, he should be nowhere near any of this since he signed off on the warrant. Do you agree with that?
Darrell Issa: Exactly, this is where the Attorney General in an abundance of caution recused himself, and now the very man he gave responsibility to won’t dot he same thing, when it is obvious that he has a conflict.
To be honest, the deputy needs to recuse himself. We need to have a level of transparency. Probably not one person but multiple people who in fact oversee this to make sure that the American people get what they deserve. Let’s remember, the FBI has tremendous power, and the Department of Justice hand in hand with them.
Whether it was the left or the right, when they were going after Martin Luther King and bugging him, and trying to get dirt on him, or even all the way back with Goldwater.
The FBI doesn’t have clean hands. The Department of Justice and their partners don’t have clean hands. And so we, as the oversight, if you will, of that branch, cannot and should not trust them. We should demand the transparency that we’re entitled to, and we need to be in front of a federal judge so that we have two against one, because it is clear we are not getting where we need to go fast enough.
These chairmen are doing their jobs, Goodlatte, Nunes, and Gowdy, but the reality is they are being slow-walked until after the election in the hopes that the Democrats will take over the House or the Senate and then the investigations will be covered up. No question in my mind that this would be something that would just go away if we lose the gavel.